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Season 4: Episode 8 – Work on the Spectrum

Hosted by Justin Moen, Rebecca Womack BCBA, Tim Crilly
March 21, 2024

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To close out Autism Acceptance and Awareness Month, Tim and special guest host Rebecca Womack have an uplifting conversation with their BlueSprig colleague, Justin Moehn.  Justin is an adult with autism who has been working for BlueSprig for the past 2 and a half years. During the conversation, Justin outlines his current role with BlueSprig, his journey to get to this point in his career, as well as his unique outlook on the work he does.  It is a must-listen to episode! Please listen and share!

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0:10 Tim Crilly: Hello and welcome to another episode of ABA Unfiltered. It’s kind of crazy to think that we’re getting close to the end of season four, and it’s been a really amazing season. And one thing that um really jumps out is that we are in the midst of April and sort of what that means to our community, um, autism accepted acceptance and awareness month. And one of the people that I’ve gotten to know over my time here at Blue Spreak, um, this is one of his busiest months, and I really appreciate him taking some time out to talk with us today, is um an old friend of the show kind of joined us early on um when we didn’t really know what we were doing. So Justin, um, Justin Moen’s joining us. He is the clinical support administrator here at Blues Brig. So um he he’s he’s doing some important work for us that we’re gonna talk about. But you know, Justin, I hope you’re uh you have a little bit better of a more professional experience with us this go-around because we kind of have a better sense of what we’re doing. Um, and before I get give you a chance to introduce yourself, um I also want to let you know that we have another uh special guest host. So Rebecca Womack, who’s sort of been elbowing her way into episodes lately. Um so you’ve heard her voice a few times over the last month, uh, is join it to sort of uh have a conversation with us with Justin. So um Justin is an adult on the autism spectrum and he he works here at Blue Spring, like I mentioned. And Justin, if you don’t mind, give us um a couple sentences about uh you know who you are, um the things you like to do, um, how you ended up here at Blue Spring, some something along those lines would be a great little introduction for the for the uh listeners.
1:58 Justin Moen: Yeah, I was my diagnosis back in 1985 in uh or Texas Children’s Hospital and three years old at the time, and basically the person used a fancy word, basically just want to say English, which is autism, basically so and base, you know, over the years is had like speech and OT therapy and basically just getting more understanding concepts, speech vocabulary building over the years, you know, just uh getting more used to my surroundings and getting the school settings, you know, learning the routines, you know, just uh like getting up in the morning, getting home, doing more classworks, socializing with people, different so things like that over the years, and yeah, just getting more comfortable environment of my own, and uh just doing John Ferrari, like everyone else now I want to do for fun activities and uh getting grown up and what I want to do in the future for life, or like school work and everything else, uh basically and that concept. And uh but you know, I’ve been a course with you know Bluesberg for pretty much two years now. Um it’s gotta be long.
3:15 Tim Crilly: I think it’s longer than that. It’s I think it was actually 29, I feel like.
3:23 Justin Moen: Oh I did the uh well, yeah, I did start as a role as an RBT, you know, registered technician, uh and learned the uh all the uh stuff basically from discrete challenges, natural environment training, uh, chaining, uh, ethics codes to data collecting, working the kids. So but you know, after got all that training done, my another role came up as the role I’m doing currently, basically, which is learning, I mean doing different things basically, and more like I’m doing now, I’m like doing audits and uh invoices basically for the uh company now.
4:01 Tim Crilly: Basically, okay, let’s hold that thought for a second. Um, I I loved how much uh behavioral lingo you just threw out there. I think uh we don’t get, you know, this is an ABA podcast, but we don’t get enough of that sort of language. So I appreciate that. Um okay, before we jump in, I Rebecca, I would I would imagine anyone listening to the show doesn’t necessarily need to be told what an RBT is. Um, but just in case that one or two listeners out there, and I think you know, sort of really understanding what that RBT, what that process is. And then when we kind of get into some of the work that Justin’s doing, I think it’d be helpful for you to give us that sort of that the technical sort of process of what it is to be an RBT, becoming an RBT, and what and how do you maintain your status as an RBT?
4:53 Rebecca Womack: Yeah, great question. And you know, I think they are truly integral to the success of any service delivery for an autistic receiving ABA services. So a registered behavior technician is typically it’s it’s defined in the industry as a paraprofessional who has obtained certification and behavior analysis. So what that means is that they have received about 40 hours of training across different topics uh that cover ABA services or the delivery of ABA services. And then they’ve gone through uh forms of testing, both in person. So someone’s watching them and says, hey, I want you to implement the following different types of procedures, and then they have to take a written test. Once they pass that, they have the certification that allows them to practice and sign three little letters through the name as an RBT. And um so their journey then starts and they continue through that um journey by maintaining their certification as they get uh supervision from a behavioral analyst, and that behavior analyst could be a BC ABA, which is a limited uh certified program, or um a math level. So they have to have so many um hours per month of their activities that they’re doing with ABA services be supervised and they get feedback, and that’s how they maintain that certification. It’s really very similar to anybody who is practicing within the healthcare field who has a certification. Everybody has training and oversight.
6:37 Tim Crilly: Um okay, so Justin, uh that was a great definition. And you obviously went through that process, as you said. You you did the training, you sat, you took the exam. Um so you you you know what it is to be an RBT. Uh, but right now you’ve you’ve sort of you’re you’re in the back, the back room part of our process. Um so what is it that you’re you know, sort of this new role that you’ve taken on um with as it relates to the RBT? What are you doing monthly? Can you explain that process and and and what how you go about doing it? Because I’ve seen you do it, I just don’t really understand what you’re doing while I watch you do it.
7:15 Justin Moen: Basically, uh some of the stuff like right now I’ve been doing session note odds where um I’m looking over like make sure the credentials are signed, they’re not signing out too early, the session notes are uploaded to they’re using the words technician, not therapist. Make sure they’re signing within the two days window, basically. And uh if the BCBA was participant or not in the session check box, things like those basically, you know, in the room, you know, observing observing as well. So, and of course, the invoice is basically telling telling the total hours of each of the uh clinic centers basically uh send them off to the operation managers, basically, and that’s usually for the whole month, basically.
8:01 Tim Crilly: Okay, so go ahead. Sorry, Rebecca.
8:03 Rebecca Womack: I just had a question for more so also for our listeners, but can you clarify what you meant when you said um you’re checking to make sure they didn’t sign the session note too early? Like, what does that mean? Like, how would you do that?
8:16 Justin Moen: Basically, like on the bottom of the notes, basically, uh it’s like if their session ends like uh noon, but they sign out like 1155, or you know, and that’s too early, still kind of thing on the uh for the time wise on the same day, you know, like it’s gotta be like it’s like noon or after, basically, and that two-day frame basically. It’s only you know, because they’re still getting uh make sure everything’s done wise, or the set you know, the session with the work with the kiddos, kind of things.
8:49 Tim Crilly: Okay, so it’s it’s for my understanding, it’s a two, it’s a two, it’s a twofold job. You’re really you’re checking to make sure from a paperwork standpoint, the the thing uh the things that we need to submit in terms of sort of following ethical codes, but also to stay in compliance with our funding sources. You’re you’re looking at those sorts of things to ensure it’s correct, it’s accurate, and if things need to be adjusted, those are then brought to the attention of the local teams and and things are are are fixed as as we move forward. Is that part of what you’re doing?
9:26 Justin Moen: Yeah, basically also it’s like has to do with like I’m sure for health insurance companies as well, basically, you know, because I’m sure they’ll make sure they get their I guess the payouts and all that too for what they know for the therapy, you know, the for the work of the technicians and all that too. And they’re you know, they’re getting actually good the money’s worth, I guess, from the health insurance provider.
9:48 Tim Crilly: Yes. So it’s you know, it it you know, obviously, you know, the this everything kind of comes back to to funding. And with funding, you have you have rules and you have regulations. And part of the complex nature of this this um uh sort of field we work in is not everyone lives by the same set of rules. So you can’t just necessarily apply one way to do something across the board because we we interact with dozens of funding sources. So therefore, there are different sort of rules and regulations associated with that. So, you know, not to say that you’re responsible for all of that, but here at Blue Spray, we do have teams of people that are making sure that we look at all of those sorts of things and you’re playing, you know, a role within that process, as well as, you know, um, Rebecca, I you know, I think this relates a little bit to the 5% um supervision of RBTs. Am I correct in that?
10:52 Rebecca Womack: Absolutely. So um, you know, health plans, no matter the discipline, um, whether it’s uh a surgeon or an ABA therapist or ABA provider, they expect that those health plans um maintain their certification. And uh for RBTs, like I mentioned before, they have to make sure that they have a certain amount of supervision every single month. They have to document that and they’re responsible for keeping those records in case the BACB ever asks to see them. So, yeah, great point.
11:26 Tim Crilly: So, Justin, that’s part of what you’re doing as well. You’re you’re helping to track that 5% supervision across the company, correct?
11:35 Justin Moen: Well, basically, you know, and just it also depends on when they actually get that 5%, I guess, put in, you know, because it could be any time they do it, though, too, but this you know, over the centers, you know, because uh you know it’s hard to determine when they’re actually gonna do it because I’m just looking at the session they’ll audits and make sure they’ll find two comb basically on to make sure everything’s on the right, you know, dots and all that.
11:57 Tim Crilly: Off the top of your head, do you know how many centers you’re auditing in a month?
12:03 Justin Moen: Uh that one’s hard to say because it varies from time to time because sometimes I’ll try and do some of them, but they’re you know, you’re they haven’t uploaded the documents, or some of those people I can’t do it yet because they haven’t put it on the central reach or their you know the documents, it’s hard to make sure they’re the right ones I’m looking at because there are like so many different uh sessions, you know, like you got the nine seven one five five. I’m supposed to be doing like nine seven one five three, and then you have the one four, you know, nine seven one five four, and there’s all and just your you have your basic introduction assessments and all that too. So the ones I’m looking at is again nine seven one five three documents.
12:43 Tim Crilly: Do you have a ballpark? Do you have a guess? I mean, uh you’re I you are you over a hundred centers a month, less than a hundred. Uh that’s hard to say, really.
12:54 Justin Moen: You know, some I wanted you to show off a little bit, Justin. Of course, some of us have to do the uh you know the HIPAA compliance and all too. Okay, so you know, you know, because I don’t want to be talking about somebody doing this or that or whatever kind of thing, you know, and on top of uh some of the centers have it could be the same center because it could be like multiple people I might be hitting up the same, you know, like different uh clients that might be uh might be the same center, but a different client. I’d be usually looking at, but I’m trying, you know, not to hit the same client at times, you know, because I’m like, okay, that person’s already been hit up a few you know once array, only to double dip on the same person array, because we’re already probably having an idea who they’re working with and everything else already. You know, they’re already like what are you still? Oh, I’m sorry, you were still talking. I apologize. The other thing is uh you know, because I already know what that person’s uh if they’re clean, they’re good right, or they’re there’s an issue with them with the uh on the uh the uh the the session notes already because they’re uh that need to be go back and corrected already or have an issue that needs to be corrected on one of their one of their session notes already.
14:03 Tim Crilly: Yeah, you know, I I think it’s the the value of of what you know you’re you’re doing. I think, you know, I I don’t want to pat us too hard on the back, but I think there’s a lot of um there’s a lot of agencies out there um, you know, that that provide the same type of care that that we do that don’t necessarily um take the time and have the resources to to look through this and you sort of just sort of hope you’re doing it the right way. Um and I I think you know it it says a lot about what we’re trying to accomplish here as a team and having you come in and be a part of that team, I think is a really an impactful part, you know, given the fact that you know you are an adult with autism and you know you’ve you’ve been in the similar situation as as some of these families, you know, sort of that unique understanding that you have and you’ve done the RBT training, it it kind of gives you a pretty unique um you know feel for what we do as a as an organization.
15:02 Justin Moen: Yeah, also top of getting an idea and what they do, and so like that’s something about the going back to some of the session notes. I’m looking at like I don’t don’t on the same person and they already got their hands full, right? Um especially when I when I’m doing my paperwork, usually for the month of my own stuff, and now I have somebody looking over it, and I’m like, all it does is just might create frustration away too for the person that having to go back and like and look at it already, because I already have so many other things to do already, but you know, like I said, it needs to be done regardless, you know, be corrected in the long run.
15:36 Rebecca Womack: Justin, it’s so clear that you’re very knowledgeable about this job and that your current job that you have. And then, you know, you talked very fluently about being an RBT prior to moving into this role. Um, and you also kindly shared at the beginning of the podcast a little bit about your diagnosis of autism and what it was like growing up. Can you talk to uh the listeners about how you feel like your diagnosis, if it has affected um your role as an RBT, and then now your role um doing auditing and what that has been like?
16:12 Justin Moen: Um, you know, basically, uh just like mentioned before, I guess just keeping up the uh getting, you know, there might be distractions here and there too, and uh, but you know, trying to get so much done per day and all that because I don’t know if have that good sense of feeling like yeah, I accomplished a lot, or there’s gonna be days like I didn’t feel like I need to get squat done. But uh oh, I’ve I’ve had a few of those myself. It’s just accomplishment, and you know, just it also has you know, you like you got somebody paying you by the hour to get uh work done on it. So I’m trying to focus on my work because you know already know there’s gonna be consequences at times. I don’t get what I need quota done at times.
17:01 Tim Crilly: But yeah. What do you enjoy about it? Like what about this this role or sort of just blue spray in general? What do you enjoy about your work?
17:10 Justin Moen: Well, I mean, basically there’s quite a few different things, like from doing you know, to uh doing public speakings to helping out other family members at times, you know, you know, sometimes there’s like people who I meet up with and you know talk, actually have lunch with them here and there, like doing some business networking and uh other stuff, and seeing what more can be done out there. Because I know there’s like a lot of people who have the uh grown up, have uh family members who have kids on all to the spectrum. I mean, there’s that vary from age brackets too, like from my age, younger, older, and each case is uh differs. I mean, like I’m with the uh like what we do with the uh sessions on with kids, and they each have their own plans of what they’re mastering. It’s the same thing happens when they get older, like you know, like what job they want to do, what school they want to go to, different things basically for criteria of needs and mets and all the uh other organizations I talk to, you know, as well, you know, like all the resources out there for families to have like when the kids get done, you know, they they mastered skills and they’re ready for a school thing and get older, there’s they’re gonna need uh other organizations to help out in the future, their long-term goals and all that too.
18:29 Tim Crilly: You know, thank you. I’ve kind of like I that may be a little emotional, I’m not gonna lie. Just the way you just sort of um thought about, I think what we end up doing, and maybe Rebecca, you can back me up on this. I think as as clinicians, we we tend to live in the here and now um a lot, and we don’t necessarily think as much about the future. And just the fact that you looking through treatment plans, you can picture this this client and you’re getting like a a a snapshot of who they are now, but your your brain is thinking about what do they need next. And I I think that is that is a really um really wonderful thing to say out loud because you know, one of our values is we are uh passionate and compassionate. And I think you just summed up both of those value, you know, sort of concepts of that value in in one little one little sentence there. And I really appreciate that.
19:28 Rebecca Womack: You know, just to piggyback off of that thought, Tim, um, Justin, you described having services growing up, uh different kinds of services. And what would be some things that you would suggest people think about putting into treatment plans or thinking about for services to set their clients up for the future for success?
19:48 Justin Moen: I mean, one of the things I did learn while I was at the uh do my RBT training, I mean, was uh like when BCBA is able to attend a child uh school R meetings. I mean, that’s you know, a good way to go forward, you know, just uh because I know usually with school R meetings, there’s like you have like quite a few people in the room, basically, like you know, you have the parents to the special ed teacher or regular ed teacher, the vice assistant principal to you know, so you know, when the especially when child gets older, that they can tend like maybe middle school upwards of like what lectures they want to take, you know, basically you just go like that that basically, you know, maybe an art advocate as well, because sometimes it’s you know, having uh some you know, parents sometimes they have a disagreement here with the the district or some people there, and you have to re-go over to some of their meetings here and there. And of course, you know, that sometimes can drag, which that’s something that doesn’t happen. Just need to like, okay, here’s the plans, here’s the uh goals we need, and here’s going forward. Can we all agree to this? Yes, basically, and everything’s set in stone basically for the next for upcoming school year or next grade level, or especially something that’s sometimes can be uh transition phases too, like um, especially once it comes to uh like junior senior years or high school, like some school districts have transition programs where they can you know helping gear for like job-wise, college and everything, especially big questions like okay, what do you want to do for you know afterwards kind of thing? And uh because I know school districts can’t hold the kids till like they’re 22 before they hand off to some other organizations or whatever, like MRA services or like Texana and other uh business out there that can help them out with those kinds of plans here and there, too, at times.
21:42 Tim Crilly: Uh I I’ll just sort of piggybacking off that, uh, what sort of um supports and and things did you get through your your schooling as it related to you know your future employment? Were you were there any programs that you participated in, um, or you just kind of did it on your own? Well, basically.
22:00 Justin Moen: I had a like a transition program where you know I have like job coach and uh and uh like you know help somebody in the school district help me get sell in the college environment basically because it can be uh because college you’re more on your own than compared to sure it’s like high school and all that basically and uh scary for just about everybody that first couple months of college.
22:21 Tim Crilly: So yeah, yeah. Where did uh what what did you study in college?
22:26 Justin Moen: Basically, like my more my computer skills, like okay, like data entry to uh like office administration, basically, things like those, basically, different things what work on for programs, uh like where it’s Excel, PowerPoint, Word, you know, you know, different kinds of things on that front.
22:46 Tim Crilly: Well, I have seen you sort of you’ve done some screen sharing with me, and I’ve seen you fly through spreadsheets and uh central reach specifically, and I can’t even keep up with what you’re doing, so I don’t I just zone out, I don’t even pay attention. I mean, I just wait till you’re done.
23:00 Justin Moen: Yeah, some of those things, yeah, I had to learn my own like central reach, and even while I was another job at like Fort Bay Appraisal District, they had their own thing too. I learned that as well. Yeah, so there’s like different things. You know, I had the one that wasn’t in the school setting, though. So that’s the only thing. Sometimes you might have to pick up on the fly or give it give you at least a week turn to learn it, you know, the job wise.
23:23 Tim Crilly: Um yeah, uh, you know, I think uh it’s kind of cool that you know you you sort of mentioned that what you studied and and the background, and it really plays into what you’re doing right now. So this was this was you know a well-suited opportunity for you and fulfilling a uh a much needed uh role for us for us here. So um Rebecca, any any sort of last-minute questions about that um before we sort of let uh Justin talk about some of his passion projects just to kind of get the word out of what you’re doing.
24:00 Rebecca Womack: No, I think Justin, you’ve shared a lot of really resourceful information and appreciate your sensitivity to the whole timeline of services that clients receive. And I I’m sure our listeners will be really grateful for the recommendations that you shared. So thank you for that.
24:17 Justin Moen: Yeah, my uh the other thing I still, I mean, there’s another thing I still want, you know, you know, especially for the company to expand on, like wise for uh uh like say, you know, you know, I know we have some centers that work with more of the older, you know, uh clients and all that, you know, more kind of because there’s there’s still a lot of holes there. When this kid uh click kids get older, there’s still a lot of holes that for uh it’s like you know, college to work to independent living stuff stuff. I mean, that’s still there’s still a lot of holes in that area, basically. Uh kind of help see if we can going forward company wise, I can do more like on that front wise. And the uh it’s like when the clients are where we’re getting their, I can look over their plans and other things, like from when they have services here-wise and see where which uh how I can help guide them on which way to go going forward. Um getting resources for our organizations, businesses, or anything else wise, see for yeah, for the company wise, it’s saying you know, look I can look over the files and see what like who I can refer them to and um see what I can give them next going forward next steps wise.
25:26 Tim Crilly: Yeah, I I couldn’t agree more. I think that’s one of the phases that this this um uh field needs to really start to uh evolve into is we’re really good with the um the young guys and sort of getting um you know treatment and and and services put in place for for young children. But you’re right, there is there is a gap um that that can occur in that later adolescence into early adulthood. And you know, autism doesn’t go away. Um, so you know, there is there is a need for for some level of care. I I don’t think we’ve quite figured out um as a as a group, you know, what that is, but you know, I I have confidence that you know the right people can think about it and we can start to partner with with the right folks out in that environment and maybe maybe see a little bit more of what you just described.
26:16 Justin Moen: Yeah, because I know I’ve been like because I know I’ve been talking to all organizations out there, like the last when I had that four BC transition fair earlier in the month, it was like for me in the long run, it was a happy reunion of some of those people because of because of COVID and all the yeah, and because there’s like people who I know out there that can help out as well, like from other groups and organizations and all that, too, who I know vast and all that to like pretty much see me as well. They’re happy to see each other again.
26:44 Tim Crilly: Yeah, it’s a good point. I mean, I think I I know early on for you, part of what you really enjoyed was you know, from just conversations with you is getting out into the the centers and and meeting families and talking to parents. And hey, you know, here I am. I, you know, I’m you know, this is what I do, and to sort of introduce yourself. And then that all got shut down. And you know, for for me, Rebecca, and you know, everyone, we sort of were working from home and you get used to it and you kind of settle into it, and you don’t realize how much you missed that aspect of having a job and having like, you know, sort of work friends or people that you see on a regular basis at work until you got an opportunity to get back into the room with them some point last year. So, you know, hopefully that’s something we get more of as we move forward. Obviously, Blue Spring is growing and big. And, you know, as we get bigger, maybe there is less travel needed because we’re so spread out. But um, some of those those early days where you know we really used to huddle in the room and and and work on things, uh, you know, you forget how important that is, um, just to sort of your your mental health and and things like that. So I I hope, you know, as you as you said, you’re you’re getting out there and you’re you’re able to see more people. It it it helps with some of those things as well.
27:58 Justin Moen: Yeah.
27:59 Tim Crilly: Okay, so it’s you have a birthday too. I won’t say which one, but I wanted to say happy birthday. And um, I know it’s kind of a big one, so I I won’t say what number it is, but uh, you know, you’re getting up there, buddy. I hate to break still a lot, still a lot of ward building needs to be done. Okay, okay, okay. Um, so um, you know, if you just one or two two minutes left here before we have to to wrap things up, you know, you do a lot of work out into the community. I know I’ve you’ve introduced me to some some folks like um, you know, that the group that that you you work with that goes out and and sort of works with first responders and and things like that. So could you just tell us a little bit about um uh that and then and what you do when when you have those those those meetings out in the community?
28:50 Justin Moen: Basically, it’s just uh because we’re not always gonna be available, we know that. And uh, but you know, when you got the kids in the all this bag, where you know, out in the community or any other activities or events or where that’s for someone’s going at home and like in the late night hours or the weekend, you know, that’s you got that 911 call. That’s pretty much who’s gonna show up, basically, the police officers and all that basically to help with this situation, or or if you’re out in the community-wise, a store or whatever venues places uh you know, help get the grasp of the situation and make and try to avoid like handcuffs or any other ways that deal with situations, you know, try more different approach to make you know comedy situations or people like me who drive, and that’s gonna be a pulling over. That’s another situation that can turn ugly as well, and try and avoid certain situations like that happening as well. So just again more ideal approach and sense and how to like ask questions, be you know, uh helpful situations, talk to them and be more of a friendly approach, kind of things.
29:56 Tim Crilly: So it’s hope for three, right? That’s the group that you work with locally in Houston. Okay. And so you’re out there, you’re you’re you’re working with those those first responders to try to educate them on, you know, if if you are encountering an individual or a family that’s impacted with with autism, sort of how to sort of navigate that situation without maybe escalating things. So I think that’s that’s really cool. And um, there’s a there’s a real need for that. And you know, I know we we have um like seatbelt covers that we hand out that sort of can can indicate to you know any first responder that that child wearing that seatbelt has autism, or you know, I I’ve started to see stickers on the side of cars lately, um, you know, sort of indicating that. So I think it’s it’s really important work. Um, so I I really appreciate it. Um, you know, uh I’ve got I’ve gotten to know you a little bit over the the um the last year or so, and it’s it’s really been a pleasure. Um, I think today was even more insightful uh conversation that that we’ve ever had. I think just listening to you share some of that insight, like I said before, was was really neat. And it’s gonna it’s given me a lot to to think about. And so I appreciate you um doing what you do and sort of um you know opening my my eyes a little bit uh to you know what what we know what we’re doing now, but what what could we be doing next? And I don’t I think that’s really cool. So so thank you so much for joining. Um Rebecca, I I appreciate you um participating and and and being a part of today as well. So any final thoughts, Justin? Anything you want to share with the listeners as you know we kind of close out April and autism awareness acceptance month?
31:40 Justin Moen: Yeah, the thing one of the things I like to close out on is basically if uh if you have uh you’ve got the newly diagnosed autism, basically, one of the things you can they can do is uh get them on those uh Medicaid waiver program lists because those lists usually exceed easily 10 plus years for uh where get additional services and uh income and other things basically uh help out with going forward in life as well. For I mean, like for Texas wise, they have HCS class, HCS is home community support services and classes, community living assistant support services, basically. So that’s kind of things you know, look on as well for on the like health insurance-wise, Medicare or Medicaid certain websites and all that too, basically.
32:32 Tim Crilly: Uh it’s it’s really great advice, and you know, it is it’s really sad that you have to think 10 years into the future on something like that, and it’s not necessarily something that’s um front of mind for families as they are getting newly diagnosed. So I I appreciate that sort of last-minute um nugget of of wisdom there, Justin. So um I I appreciate it both of you. Um, I appreciate all the work you you you do and and you know you too, Rebecca. Um, every time I I talk to folks like you guys, I get a little smarter. Um, so thank you so much. Uh, thank you out there for for listening, tuning in. Please share, subscribe, and stay tuned for for more great content from from us at at ABA Infiltered. Thank you.

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